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 Viestin otsikko: Venäjän liiton kokous
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Lueskelin Venäjän liiton sivuja. Helmikuun kokouspöytäkirjan mukaan Denisov olisi hyllytetty maajoukkueesta kolmeksi vuodeksi ja Ksenya vuodeksi, koska kävivät jenkeissä "väärissä" kisoissa joulukuussa. Saa nähdä pitääkö päätös, mutta onhan tuo täysin älytöntä. Venäjä. :roll:

Konekäännetty pöytäkirja kirjoitti:
On the sixth Miscellaneous.
A) The decision of the disciplinary committee of "VFGS" disqualification of athletes of Russian national team.
A statement was made ​​chairman of the disciplinary committee Barkov, AP
was heard minutes of the meeting of the disciplinary committee on the issue of"Participationmembers of the Russian national team Denisov I.N weathering and weathering Dedyukhina K .AND. VFGS in unauthorized competitions (leaving for the competition in the United States, g.Nyu- Jersey, 12-13.12.2015 year) discussion:.
"DisciplinaryCommission after Having taken note of the written and oral explanations and Denisov I.N Dedyukhina KI and well acquainted with the materials provided by the International Union of Kettlebell Lifting (IUKL), taking into account the decision of the Russian national team coaching Council on the withdrawal of these athletes from the national team of the Russian Federation on the weight-lifting team unanimously decided:
"on the basis of the decision of the Presidium of 03.27.2015 VFGS of n .9 in Omsk (O penalties to athletes who took part in the competition not sanctioned VFGS):
ZMS Denisov Ivan Nikolaevich (Chelyabinsk) in connection with the repeated violation Suspended for 3 years in accordance with the Disciplinary Code VFGS (chapter 2).
ZMS Dedyukhin Xenia Igorevna (Chelyabinsk) disqualified for 1 year in accordance with the Disciplinary Code VFGS (chapter 2) part:.
"Inthe debate on this subject took Denisov IN, Solodov IP, MA Trofimov, Schwan VB, AlferovVY
AlferovVY and VB Shvanёv We made ​​a proposal to amend the Code of Discipline VFGS: change the phrase "from a severe reprimand to disqualification for one year - for the first violation"votes;.
Voting results:
FOR - 9 AGAINST - 0 votes; Abstentions -. 3 votes
Changes in Distsiplinaronom Code approved by a majority of votesteam..


in connection with the decision vysheprinyatym received a proposal put to the vote the question of the decision of the disciplinary commission for disqualification of athletes of Russian national It received two sentences:
To approve the decision of the disciplinary committee without changingyears.
Denisov, Ivan Nikolaevich, in connection with the repeated violation Suspended for 3 Dedyukhina Xenia Igorevna in connection with the violation of the first to announce a reprimandresults:.

Voting
In the first sentence - 0 votes. During the second sentence - 11 votes. Abstentions -. 1 vote
majority vote approved the second sentence

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Helmi 22, 2016 4:48 am 
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Liittynyt: Ma Kesä 15, 2009 4:08 pm
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Denis Vasilev FB:ssa kirjoitti:
I left the Russian National team of RGSF on 11 February 2016.
Actually I was made to do that.
The terms for the members of the national team of Russia now are absolutely unreal (for me) and discriminate the freedom of doing business and my social sports activity.
In particular, the “Russian national team member status”, published on the 10th of February on the official RGSF website
http://vfgs.ru/national-team :
1. Obliges an athlete to “get written permission from the Federation to take part in competitions, which are not included in the calendar schedule…”
2. Permits to punish and exclude any athlete from the national team for “taking part in the competitions and sports events (seminars, conferences), which are not in the schedule, without the written permission from the Federation”. This is actually a ban on any independent activity and social activity in kettlebell sport, ban on accepting any invitations from foreign kettlebell clubs, ban on teaching and coaching activity, ban on promoting kettlebell sport and fitness and ban on independent activity in sports business.
In fact I had to face the choice:
- I either finish my independent coaching and social sports activity;
- Otherwise I'm fired from the Team Russia (RGSF), and as the consequence, I’m no longer the candidate for awarding Honored Master of Sport title (by the way by RGSF top athletes rating I was a person #1 for that rank, the next person for awarding, like, on that March).
I was competing hard on competitions in Russia for the last 17 years, and last 8 years on International competitions.
And last 8 years there were the first places only
7 times Champion of Russia in a row (RGSF)
7 times Champion of Europe (IUKL)
6 times Champion of the World (IUKL)
The record holder in LC
Still not enough for them ...lol.
So I'm out.
HMS kind a big deal,
but not that big for me as
FREEDOM, INDEPENDENCE
and my FRIENDS.
I believe that now is time to try a true professional carrier.
I had a positive dialog with WAKSC
https://www.facebook.com/wkgps/
(World Association of Kettlebell Sport Clubs) board, that organization is very native for me, the most amazing and professional community of a true fans of kettlebell sport.
There are friends only.
So from now I'll join the WAKSC, they have a professional division on the competitions.
California Open is the next!
I’m so excited!!! So much positive atmosphere and energy!
I’m happy actually!
FREEDOM!!!!

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Helmi 22, 2016 5:56 am 
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Nyt tieto tuosta ensin mainitusta Denisovin ja Deduchinan bannista pyörii Facebookin ryhmissäkin.

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Helmi 22, 2016 6:06 am 
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Kaikkien pääkouluttajien äiti

Liittynyt: Ma Syys 28, 2015 7:19 am
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pyykkonen kirjoitti:
Nyt tieto tuosta ensin mainitusta Denisovin ja Deduchinan bannista pyörii Facebookin ryhmissäkin.


Freedom of doing businesess ei liene niin helppoa Venäjällä :)

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Helmi 22, 2016 6:10 am 
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teroj kirjoitti:
pyykkonen kirjoitti:
Nyt tieto tuosta ensin mainitusta Denisovin ja Deduchinan bannista pyörii Facebookin ryhmissäkin.


Freedom of doing businesess ei liene niin helppoa Venäjällä :)


Siltä vaikuttaa näiden tietojen perusteella. Suomessakin joillakin lajiliitoilla on sopimuksia, jotka rajoittavat urheilijoiden vapauksia (Iivo Niskanen-Hiihtoliitto-Red Bull), mutta ei kai mitään noin tiukkaa missään. Velvollisuuksia on kai lähinnä osallistua tiettyihin kisoihin ja leireihin.

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Helmi 22, 2016 8:27 am 
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Villalangan mitalla

Liittynyt: Ke Loka 02, 2013 8:09 pm
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Joo, Venäjä...

Tämäkin on ollut viimeaikoina ihan mielenkiintoinen tapaus: http://yle.fi/uutiset/venajan_kuollut_d ... ia/8688957. Ilmeisesti huhujen mukaan tämän Kamajevin lisäksi toinenkin ex antidoping-pomo Vjatheslav Sinev kuoli helmikuun alussa myös sydänkohtaukseen... :roll:


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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Helmi 22, 2016 8:44 am 
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Ida kirjoitti:
Joo, Venäjä...

Tämäkin on ollut viimeaikoina ihan mielenkiintoinen tapaus: http://yle.fi/uutiset/venajan_kuollut_d ... ia/8688957. Ilmeisesti huhujen mukaan tämän Kamajevin lisäksi toinenkin ex antidoping-pomo Vjatheslav Sinev kuoli helmikuun alussa myös sydänkohtaukseen... :roll:


Mietityttää, vaikka en foliohattua pidäkään.

Ksenyan "pelikielto" on näemmä muutettu kirjalliseksi varoitukseksi, kun tarkemmin lupi tuota.

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Helmi 22, 2016 10:19 am 
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Liittynyt: Su Marras 20, 2011 1:11 pm
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Onko tämä nyt sitten miten pitkälle RGSF:n sisäinen ongelma? Käsitääkseni näin, mutta kun en kuvioita tunne ollenkaan niin mietin että miten vaikuttaa IUKL:n toimintaan. Onko RGSF jonkinlainen emäorganisaatio jonka linjaukset vaikuttaa suoraa IUKL:n toimintaan, esim rankit, "sertifikaatit" ja säännöt? Ainakin muistelen että Ginko on jotakin kironnut IUKL:n lanseeraamista rankeista 24 ja 28 kiloisille yms hallinnollista juttua kansainväliseen toimintaan jotka RGSF sitten hyllytti.

Aika byrokraattiselle ja diktaattorimaiselle vaikuttaa urheilijoiden käskyttäminen tuon Vasilevin tekstin mukaan.


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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Helmi 22, 2016 11:32 am 
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Second kirjoitti:
Onko tämä nyt sitten miten pitkälle RGSF:n sisäinen ongelma? Käsitääkseni näin, mutta kun en kuvioita tunne ollenkaan niin mietin että miten vaikuttaa IUKL:n toimintaan. Onko RGSF jonkinlainen emäorganisaatio jonka linjaukset vaikuttaa suoraa IUKL:n toimintaan, esim rankit, "sertifikaatit" ja säännöt? Ainakin muistelen että Ginko on jotakin kironnut IUKL:n lanseeraamista rankeista 24 ja 28 kiloisille yms hallinnollista juttua kansainväliseen toimintaan jotka RGSF sitten hyllytti.

Aika byrokraattiselle ja diktaattorimaiselle vaikuttaa urheilijoiden käskyttäminen tuon Vasilevin tekstin mukaan.


RGSF on siis Venäjän liitto. Onhan se varmaan ainakin painoarvoltaan suurin IUKL:n jäsenistä.

Minun muistaakseni muutama vuosi sitten Rudnev ja ehkä myös Merkulin jättivät maajoukkueen samoista syistä. Eli ei irronnut lupaa lähteä Amerikkaan pitämään työpajaa, tosin se saattoi olla myös päällekkäin maajoukkueen leirin kanssa.

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Helmi 22, 2016 3:28 pm 
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Funktionaalisuuden ruumiillistuma

Liittynyt: Ti Elo 18, 2015 2:35 pm
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Melko touhua :) Mitähän tuosta nyt sitten seuraa ?

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Helmi 22, 2016 3:55 pm 
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Mistake kirjoitti:
Melko touhua :) Mitähän tuosta nyt sitten seuraa ?


Ainakin se, että -85 kg ja +95 kg -sarjoissa on vähän huonommat ukot vastassa EM- ja MM-kisoissa.

En tiedä sitten miten se Vasilevin mainitsema WAKSC lähtee rullaamaan?

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ti Helmi 23, 2016 9:00 am 
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Liittynyt: Ma Kesä 15, 2009 4:08 pm
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Kun tultiin lentokoneella Tyumenista Moskovaan, niin RGSF:n pj piti koneessa pienen puheen ja luovutti käteisenä(?) kymppitonnin Vasileville MM-kisojen parhaan nostajan bonuksena. Tämä tuli mieleen siitä, kun FB-jutuista tuntuu puuttuvan kokonaan se puoli, että on noille nostajille liitosta joskus hyötyäkin ollut.

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
ViestiLähetetty: Ti Maalis 01, 2016 3:29 am 
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Liittynyt: Ma Kesä 15, 2009 4:08 pm
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Muutkin ilmeisesti pohtineet Venäjän liiton ja IUKL:n suhdetta, kun on tarvinnut tällainen ilmoitus antaa.

Lainaa:
Kettlebell Athletes:

It has come to our attention that some people are confusing our organization - International Union of Kettlebell Lifting (I.U.K.L.) - with the Russian GS Federation (RGSF). We believe this may be due to lack of awareness, but can also be done intentionally, with intent to mislead the sports community. Therefore, we consider it necessary to give further clarifications on the interaction of I.U.K.L. with its members. Also we encourage all to study regulatory documents of I.U.K.L. which are placed in the appropriate section of our website:
http://www.giri-iukl.com/dokumenti.html
http://www.giri-iukl.com/Eng/dokumenti.html

The International Union of Kettlebell Lifting (I.U.K.L.) is the world governing body for kettlebell sport, which is recognized by the IOC and other international sport structures which unites national federations and representatives of kettlebell sport from 46 countries and several international organizations.

The Russian GS Federation is just one of those countries. Each country member, such as AKA (USA), AIKLF (Ireland), and CKA (Canada), for example, are in charge of the affairs of their own national athletes. No single country member can control the I.U.K.L. and make decisions for athletes outside of their own country.

Therefore, any rumors with regards to the treatment of Russian athletes directly by the I.U.K.L. are false, as the I.U.K.L. can not control Russian athletes. Russian Athletes are governed by the Russian GS Federation only. Because RGSF is a recognized sports federation in Russia. RGSF has all powers from the state to control the kettlebell sport. RGSF obliged to ensure compliance with all legal requirements the Russian athletes. RGSF annual reports to government agencies on compliance with and implementation of the requirements of Russian legislation. And RGSF obliged to take sanctions against athletes who do not fulfill the requirements of state laws. As well as organizations in other countries.

If you need any clarification regarding the status of I.U.K.L. or its organizational structure, please feel free to contact me directly. I hope to continue to provide you with accurate information regarding the international affairs of kettlebell sport.

Sincerely,
Secretary general of IUKL
Mr. Vasily Ginko

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
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Liittynyt: Ma Kesä 15, 2009 4:08 pm
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Ivan Denisov FB:ssa kirjoitti:
Dear friends!
Not too long ago, according to the decision of the Russian Federation of Kettlebell Sport presidium, I was disqualified. The document states that the disqualification is a result of “the participation of members of the Russian National Team, HMS Dedyukhina K.I. and HMS Denisov I.N. in competitions unsanctioned by the RGSF (travel to competition in the USA, New Jersey, 12-13 December 2015).”
This decision was reached on the basis of, as they said, “materials presented by the International Union of Kettlebell Lifting (IUKL)…”
There are a lot of rumors floating around on this topic. I would like to bring some clarification to this matter.
I traveled to the USA on my own business. IUKL official representative, Yuri Petunovs, held an official competition in New Jersey within the calendar of his organization, and presented the idea of participating in the competition as a exhibition performance. I did this, which can be verified by the competition documents or by the participants of this competition. The question is, what is an unsanctioned competition??? The American Kettlebell Alliance is a member of the International Union of Kettlebell Lifting, just as the VFGS is. So, why did an IUKL event become unsanctioned!??? ---- The history of my disqualifications is a representative example the regard the VFGS/IUKL holds for multiple well-known Russian athletes, who have played a major role in the popularization, promotion, and development of kettlebell sport around the world for a long time. As you know, in February 2016 (by the way, already after my disqualification) the VFGS presidium approved and published a highly controversial document - “The status of athletes, candidate for the Russian National Team of Kettlebell Sport”.
According to this document, athletes, first of all, are required to “receive written permission from the Federation to participate in competitions which are not in the calendar of the Federation or the IUKL…”. Secondly – “The Federation is entitled to submit proposals to government agencies of physical culture and sport of the Russian Federation on the removal of athletes from the ranks of the national team of Russia for… participation without written permission from the Federation in competitions and sporting events (seminars, conferences) not presented in the Federation’s calendar.”
Notice that this is without any contract or contractual agreement between the Federation (VFGS) and the athlete. Does this look like an attempt to impose serfdom or system of slave-holding in kettlebell sport? Or – the desire to have a means of ‘dealing with’ unwanted and overly independent individuals. For example, those who have the gall to put forward their candidacy for the post of president of the VFGS? Does this not lead to the idea that the approval of such rules is simply way to remove people with alternative points of view from the ranks?
After all, essentially this is nothing other than a ban on any independent activities (in business and in the social sphere) and a ban on business activities in sport in general. Because how do we define what is or isn’t a sanctioned sport event? It’s something that isn’t in the official calendar of the VFGS/IUKL. Is this a trip to a stadium for a soccer game, wearing a kettlebell sport shirt? Yes! Is this lifting kettlebells in the park? Yes. So this means even when I am on a break, I can’t fly to a competition somewhere in Russia, or go to a kettlebell sport club and train – because they might think I did a seminar!??? And we are not even talking about one other big question: what is the danger or negative effect on kettlebell sport when legendary athletes (and yes, I include myself in this group) hold seminars, conferences or training around the world? The fact that we are doing this more effectively and more successfully than the official VFGS/IUKL organizations dedicated to this? I’ll be frank and say this – our international activities, in fact, brought many new countries to international kettlebell sport and to the IUKL.
Obviously, all of these actions are not uniting Russian kettlebell sport with the international kettlebell community. On the contrary – they are leading to the destabilization and division of our sport community and this large organization, for whose benefit I worked many years and continue to work for to this day.
Beyond this, such actions by official leaders of the Russian and international sport have already resulted in a violently negative reaction of kettlebell sport athletes, coaches, and admirers all around the world. It is no secret that Russia claims leadership, and rightly so, in international kettlebell sport – as a national team and as an organization. But this leadership must coincide with and be proven by real work and activity and competent and modern management, marketing, and promotion of kettlebell sport, not the harassment of the ‘objectionable’ and public repression of ‘inconvenient’ leaders.
There is still one question that remains unclear: why is the VFGS, being a private organization, trying to deprive me of my work and my position as president of my regional, private organization (which I founded and developed up to par). Really, I have no contractual agreement with the VFGS, they do not pay me a salary… and they are determining my place of work and monitoring my movements!??? Federations in other sports, to which we equate the VFGS, actively support their athletes, so they have a right to ask such things. And today they are “gently” hinting to me that I am a soldier, and I must not forget that I should be obedient. This is outright pressure that looks a lot like plain old blackmail. Frankly, it is unclear - why is a private organization assuming the role of judge in such issues!?
Few remember history, so I’ll remind you a little of some things. I have been in kettlebell sport for 17 years. Today, I am 17 time Russian champion, 4 time European champion, 9 time World Champion. In the last 11 years, I have not lost a single competition. But during these 11 years I didn’t just lift kettlebells. During this period of time I have also put in a lot of work to develop kettlebell sport in the Chelyabinsk Region, in Russia, and around the world. The main idea was to mobilize efforts for the unification of ideas, people, countries and knowledge to turn our sport into a powerful global movement. The development of kettlbell sport in Russia and around the world cannot be considered mutually exclusive. In fact, we have one common goal – recognition of kettlebell sport by the International Olympic Committee. The gap between the development of kettlebell sport in Russia and the rest of the world is significant. In many countries, they are just learning what kettlebells even are. Our common goal is to raise the level of kettlebell sport lifters around the world to create real competition at international events.
Starting in 2005 I have been actively developing kettlebell sport in my region of Russia (Chelyabinsk region). As of today I have coached 5 masters of sport international class, one of which is Kseniya Dedyukhina, who additionally became Honored Master of Sport. Chelyabinsk, today, is one of the top three leading regions for the development of kettlebell sport in Russia, and earned second place as a team in the Russian Championships of 2015. Our budget is one of the largest in the sport. Every year the Chelyabinsk region hosts Russian and/or international competitions, often not just one. In 2008, I decided to actively participate in the development of kettlebell sport around the world. Every year, by my own initiative, I held various training events for the training of kettlebell sport athletes in Russia. Although at the same time I was part of the coaching committee and judges’ committee of the RGSF, I was a member of the RGSF presidium, and was coach of the junior national team of Russia for 3 years. Through constant interaction with the heads of various regional kettlebell sport federations, I tried not to ever refuse help to other athletes and coaches and participated in scientific conferences. I have a ton of ideas and training developments which I passed on to other kettlebell sport athletes and coaches around the world. The people from Russia and around the world will back this up. I always tried to find time to answer.
I do not understand the decision of my federation, because I was tossed out of Russian kettlebell sport like a person who has grossly violated the law – for a full three years. I have to remind everyone that the use of banned substances results in a 2 year ban! And I somehow got 3! One month before these events, we came to a verbal agreement with the leadership of the VFGS about the opening of an Academy of Kettlebell Sport, where we discussed trips outside of Russia and payment to this Academy for further use by the Federation. And now we have a decision from the disciplinary commission on disqualification for the promotion of kettlebell sport in the IUKL! What should we take away from that!???
It is really very sad to me that the ego of a few individuals is leading to negative and possibly irreversible consequences for kettlebell sport as a whole. In my opinion, personal relationships and ambitions should not come before the goals of kettlebell sport as a whole.

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Venäjän liiton kokous
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Liittynyt: Su Marras 20, 2011 1:11 pm
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Painavaa tekstiä. Denisovilla on vielä todella iso rooli koko lajin kannalta pitkältä ajalta ja pyrkimys puheenjohtajaksi on tietysti aika iso juttu. Aika hyvin tuo teksti avaa sitä mikä rooli etenkin näillä lajin kansainvälisentoiminnan pioneereilla on ollut, ja varmaan olisi edelleen. Denisov ei avaa tuossa omaa tulevaisuuttaan, mutta saapa nähdä miten esim WAKSC alkaa vetämään venäläisiä huippuja jos Vasilev avaa sen pään ja moni seuraa perässä.

Toki olisi mielenkiintoista kuulla vastapuolenkin näkemyksiä, mutta aika hankala löytää ymmärrystä tämmöiselle toiminnalle.


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